mhathi
11-06 03:46 PM
Again, I am not here supporting more numbers or less number in H1B. Because this forum and our organization is nothing related to H1B. We are for Employment based Green Card reforms. I rest my case....Thanks for interesting (and correct) opinions.
Agree completely. IV is for EB GCs and not concerned with H1B. I simply hope that Senator Grassley takes EB into consideration or at least does not oppose somebody else in introducing EB legislation, even on condition of his reforming the H1B process (which I do beleive is needed nonetheless).
Agree completely. IV is for EB GCs and not concerned with H1B. I simply hope that Senator Grassley takes EB into consideration or at least does not oppose somebody else in introducing EB legislation, even on condition of his reforming the H1B process (which I do beleive is needed nonetheless).
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mhathi
11-06 01:31 PM
Well Said! I support you 100% and agree with you totally about this. Fraud is any program is unfair and unjust on everybody, including the H1 holders themselves.
Actually, not all he said was wrong.
We should not support what these IT consulting companies are doing with H1B programme just because we are on H1. These big companies are hoarding H1B visas so they can have an upperhand when dealing with the employees.
My own employer was trying to get as many H1s as possible without having ANY work for them. They sent us all a few emails asking us if we had any family or friends back home who want to come to US on H1. These guys make the H1 applicants pay for the application expenses, then just keep them there or get them here and keep them on bench and almost everybody here is familiar with what happens next.
Think from an American's point of view.. It is THEIR country, THEY make the laws that benefit their society and economy.. they have all the right to stand up against these practices by foreign based companies..
I like his statement "H1B is supposed to be used when there IS a job but no American to do it" What these Consulting companies have turned it into is "There is a person on H1B avaliable If and when there is a job to do" OR worse "There is an H1B holder available, on bench, but no job to do"
I totally support reform in the H1 process with a target to reduce fraud. That will ultimately benefit people like us who will come here on H1B in future.
Please don't fire me for taking his side, I'm not. I'm in favour of market deciding what it needs, but I'm 100% against fraud, and all of know these so called consulting companies ARE indulging in fraud..
Actually, not all he said was wrong.
We should not support what these IT consulting companies are doing with H1B programme just because we are on H1. These big companies are hoarding H1B visas so they can have an upperhand when dealing with the employees.
My own employer was trying to get as many H1s as possible without having ANY work for them. They sent us all a few emails asking us if we had any family or friends back home who want to come to US on H1. These guys make the H1 applicants pay for the application expenses, then just keep them there or get them here and keep them on bench and almost everybody here is familiar with what happens next.
Think from an American's point of view.. It is THEIR country, THEY make the laws that benefit their society and economy.. they have all the right to stand up against these practices by foreign based companies..
I like his statement "H1B is supposed to be used when there IS a job but no American to do it" What these Consulting companies have turned it into is "There is a person on H1B avaliable If and when there is a job to do" OR worse "There is an H1B holder available, on bench, but no job to do"
I totally support reform in the H1 process with a target to reduce fraud. That will ultimately benefit people like us who will come here on H1B in future.
Please don't fire me for taking his side, I'm not. I'm in favour of market deciding what it needs, but I'm 100% against fraud, and all of know these so called consulting companies ARE indulging in fraud..
sc3
08-14 01:06 AM
For those who care to read...the fact that I am suggesting that people should port their priority dates before that door closes shows that I believe that people who have played by the rules (ie actually put in the 5 yrs experience or find a job with EB2 requirements) should get preference !!
I call this the plight of EB2 india because as the rules are set up, in theory, if majority of EB3 ported priority dates, then yes, EB2 with later dates would truly get the short end of the stick.
Having said that, the backlash against people like SunnySurya is unfair. From his perspective, he is right and the law grants him the right to sue if he feels so.
THe problem in these forums is that any mature discussion is not possible because any dissenting voice is soon suppressed with ad hominem attacks such as the gentlemen who wanted to buy me tickets to india.
Seriously, how much more immature can we get?
Even reading this discussion, NOT ONE PERSON has attacked the argument on a legal basis. INsults are aplenty though.
Legal arguments were already dealt with in the other thread, there is no basis to sue, as the porting is well established law. So is the requirements for EB2.
Regarding the EB3 to EB2 shafting EB2, well, you already know that most people will not be able to port because they are not willing to change jobs, or that the company is bit too strict about playing with immigration laws.
Also, a point to be noted when you say EB3 has had the opportunity -- you too had similar opportunities. You too could have been EB3, gained experience and converted to EB2. Instead you decided that it was in your best interests to follow your dream of getting a PHD -- a choice, I dont think you are be ruing, but for the fact that you find yourself placed behind all the guys who did not do PHD.
Plight of EB2? I think not. Even with EB3-to-EB2 porting, priority dates are well ahead of EB3 (even without the current jump, EB2 was around mid 2004), and now, I guess when it returns to normal, would be around 2005. So while not exactly current (like EB1, shouldn't they be "similarly entitled" to have a superior lead times), the wait times for EB2, compared to EB3 hardly justifies it to be called "plight".
But then again, to each his own. EB3ers other EB2ers waited almost 3 years for our LCs, people with 2006PDs did not even wait 6 months for it (both EB2 and EB3) -- and worse still are people stuck in BEC (who waited 4-6 years). And yet people in 2006 complain that they have "horrendous wait times".
EB3s saw tons of people getting through substitute labor, people who have no right to cut into the line ahead of us, significant portion of these cases (including EB2 substitution) are fraught with fraud, however the law was weak, and there was nothing that we could do to prevent such things. Lawsuits are useless for us to weed out such applicants, or even question their earlier PDs because they are protected by the then current laws.
I call this the plight of EB2 india because as the rules are set up, in theory, if majority of EB3 ported priority dates, then yes, EB2 with later dates would truly get the short end of the stick.
Having said that, the backlash against people like SunnySurya is unfair. From his perspective, he is right and the law grants him the right to sue if he feels so.
THe problem in these forums is that any mature discussion is not possible because any dissenting voice is soon suppressed with ad hominem attacks such as the gentlemen who wanted to buy me tickets to india.
Seriously, how much more immature can we get?
Even reading this discussion, NOT ONE PERSON has attacked the argument on a legal basis. INsults are aplenty though.
Legal arguments were already dealt with in the other thread, there is no basis to sue, as the porting is well established law. So is the requirements for EB2.
Regarding the EB3 to EB2 shafting EB2, well, you already know that most people will not be able to port because they are not willing to change jobs, or that the company is bit too strict about playing with immigration laws.
Also, a point to be noted when you say EB3 has had the opportunity -- you too had similar opportunities. You too could have been EB3, gained experience and converted to EB2. Instead you decided that it was in your best interests to follow your dream of getting a PHD -- a choice, I dont think you are be ruing, but for the fact that you find yourself placed behind all the guys who did not do PHD.
Plight of EB2? I think not. Even with EB3-to-EB2 porting, priority dates are well ahead of EB3 (even without the current jump, EB2 was around mid 2004), and now, I guess when it returns to normal, would be around 2005. So while not exactly current (like EB1, shouldn't they be "similarly entitled" to have a superior lead times), the wait times for EB2, compared to EB3 hardly justifies it to be called "plight".
But then again, to each his own. EB3ers other EB2ers waited almost 3 years for our LCs, people with 2006PDs did not even wait 6 months for it (both EB2 and EB3) -- and worse still are people stuck in BEC (who waited 4-6 years). And yet people in 2006 complain that they have "horrendous wait times".
EB3s saw tons of people getting through substitute labor, people who have no right to cut into the line ahead of us, significant portion of these cases (including EB2 substitution) are fraught with fraud, however the law was weak, and there was nothing that we could do to prevent such things. Lawsuits are useless for us to weed out such applicants, or even question their earlier PDs because they are protected by the then current laws.
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chanduv23
05-24 01:22 PM
Yes - I am not bothered. These laws are a joke. Guess, we must just laugh at them.
From what it looks like - they want to appease the PG, Numbersusa etc.. kinda groups.
It also seems to me that lawmaker's message for groups like IV etc... clear - layoff -- as you people don't vote
From what it looks like - they want to appease the PG, Numbersusa etc.. kinda groups.
It also seems to me that lawmaker's message for groups like IV etc... clear - layoff -- as you people don't vote
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ashishgour
09-17 02:19 PM
And now Mr.King has another amendment to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...to the amendment...
Sorry..Jus venting....
Sorry..Jus venting....
go_guy123
01-09 10:59 AM
You're right. No offence but no authority seems to be listening to IV suggestions. I agree that people at IV are doing great job, but the problem is nobody is listening. They just don't care. And this think will go on & on. I remember s'body suggesting hunger strike and at that point of time I thought that won't work. But now it seems we have to go extreme and do hunger strike and stuff to pressurize this crappy system.
EB3 people don't think I am being selfish here. The truth is we have to work unitely and pressurize for visa recapture. That will be beneficial for e'body.
Lets target the 'Asses' asking for a kick. Let's all kick ass.
You know why nothing works ? nobody listens ?
Because H1Bs put up with any garge behaviour, unfair treatment and still work. Once H1B stops putting up with this nonsense and leaving en masse/ stop coming then industry will take a look and wonder that "we need to work on this and improve the situation"
Till then skilled immigrants/H1B will be pissed on like they are nothing.
EB3 people don't think I am being selfish here. The truth is we have to work unitely and pressurize for visa recapture. That will be beneficial for e'body.
Lets target the 'Asses' asking for a kick. Let's all kick ass.
You know why nothing works ? nobody listens ?
Because H1Bs put up with any garge behaviour, unfair treatment and still work. Once H1B stops putting up with this nonsense and leaving en masse/ stop coming then industry will take a look and wonder that "we need to work on this and improve the situation"
Till then skilled immigrants/H1B will be pissed on like they are nothing.
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singhsa3
03-13 01:06 PM
Folks,
This my copyright and very much pertain to our situation:
*********************
I left my world in search of prosperity
The prosperity is taking an eternity
My struggle is long and daunting
Making it more and more frustrating
Life at times seems uncontrollable
Flowing with the time unstoppable
Graying hairs testify for the feeling
Fat belly making me further unappealing
Sometimes I think of going back
Try to gather the courage that I lack
But the world I left is not the same any more.
And the world I am in, has lost its lure.
I am on the crossroad of my life
One is forward, one is left and other is right.
I don’t like the choices shown
May be I would have to create a world of my own
***************
Thanks
This my copyright and very much pertain to our situation:
*********************
I left my world in search of prosperity
The prosperity is taking an eternity
My struggle is long and daunting
Making it more and more frustrating
Life at times seems uncontrollable
Flowing with the time unstoppable
Graying hairs testify for the feeling
Fat belly making me further unappealing
Sometimes I think of going back
Try to gather the courage that I lack
But the world I left is not the same any more.
And the world I am in, has lost its lure.
I am on the crossroad of my life
One is forward, one is left and other is right.
I don’t like the choices shown
May be I would have to create a world of my own
***************
Thanks
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HopeSprings
07-16 01:24 PM
Guests and members,
Please take the time to sign this petition so that it can be delivered to CNN as soon as possible.
Signed with a stinking message.
Please take the time to sign this petition so that it can be delivered to CNN as soon as possible.
Signed with a stinking message.
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small2006
05-24 01:06 PM
What the hell is wrong with these "law makers". As if we are not already being fleeced, they want to do it even more!!:mad:
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Jaime
12-06 10:55 PM
Sent my immigration story to Obama, let's all do it!
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bklog_sufferer
06-07 08:59 AM
Well said logiclife, I can't agree with you anymore and must say that I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.:)
Is immigration a right? ABSOLUTELY.
Well, over the past few months we have heard a lot of sound bites like �Immigration is a privilege, not a right�. �We are a country of immigrants but we are also a country of laws.� We will see about that in moment when we look at history and find out how lawful immigration has historically been.
Let�s focus on one thing sorely missing from our community: The sense of entitlement.
A lot of employment based immigrants in this country, legally here, on H1, L1, J1 etc. have asked themselves, �What right do I have to ask for change in laws or relief from congress? I am not even a citizen. Lobby congress? As an alien? Are you kidding me? Do you want to get deported? Do you realize you are going �against� the Government?�
Therein comes the lack of sense of entitlement.
First of all, legally speaking, there is no distinction between the constitutional rights of citizens and the constitutional rights of those who are non-citizens � legal or illegal. (Non-citizens are also called �aliens�, but I refrain from using that word whenever I remember coz none of us look like characters of Star Wars and we are not green-headed animals with 6 limbs, so I don�t consider myself an alien just because I was born somewhere else on the same planet).
Second of all, as a person within the jurisdiction of the United States, the first amendment actually prohibits the congress from making any laws against stated rights � one of which is the right to petition the Government for redress of grievances. So not only its legal to do what we are doing, it unconstitutional to pass a law to make it illegal for us to petition (or lobby, advocate, litigate) government for a redress of grievances. And that first amendment isn�t changing, coz to change it, its going to need two-thirds of US congress and three-fourths of states to back it. And we all know, how lucky we are to have 51 senators agree on the fact that sun rises from the east.
Earned Right or Birthright?
The fact that you are here and you are here legally and working with the system to earn immigration is something you should be proud of. Not guilty of. If you treat yourself as guests, the government will treat you like a guest. I would rather treat myself two times the citizen. Why, coz it simply much harder to earn a citizenship than to be born into it. I believe that not only we deserve fair and speedy immigration, but also when we do become citizens we should have the privilege to give two votes in elections. Now, I am not trying to display chutzpah here. I am going to back up my claim with reason. See, a lot of us came here 5-10 years ago with almost no money. Many of us never received any formal education in America. However, we have been able to survive and keep a job in this country, even during the stock market crash of 2001 and the economic recession after that. No small feat. We are the last ones to leave the office at night (Actually, that is true for both legal and illegal workers, coz the legal computer programmer is still coding Java at 7:00 PM while the illegal janitor starts vacuuming the office). We relocate across states as-if its relocating 2 traffic lights away. We adapt to different employers, we adapt to all employers. And all these without driving down the wages. Yes, it�s true. We don�t depress the wages and we don�t steal jobs and the labor certification is designed to prevent that and it�s working. We all know how great its working and how intense the process is, especially those who are stuck in Philly and Dallas backlog creation centers.
So, to sum it up, we have twice to right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, twice the right to everything. It�s an earned right, not a birthright. Our natural instinct should be to exercise the rights we have earned. If we cannot do it now, we are not going to really make anything out of citizenship of Greencard that we are pursuing.
And coming back to the sound bites about privileges and �Nation of laws� coming out of Washington today, let me say this: The pilgrims, who dropped anchor near Cape Cod in 1620 didn�t go through a port of entry and get their passports stamped and their I-94s stapled. I don�t think the Indians were waiting at the coast of Virginia to stop immigrants. They just came. And they settled. And they called it home. No priority dates. No visa bulletins.
So you see, what really matters here is whether you feel you are entitled to something or not. If you don�t feel entitled to a fair immigration process that does justice to those who seek legal ways to immigration, then you probably aren�t entitled. To ask for something, you must first believe that you deserve it. And to show that you deserve it, you must ask it loudly and clearly from rooftops. Don�t predict visa bulletins, but work to change and influence the visa bulletin 6 months from now. And no, you wont be deported for exercising that constitutional right.
�Our ancestors ... possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice has placed them.�
� Thomas Jefferson (1743�1826, 3d President of the United States, author of the Declaration of Independence)
Is immigration a right? ABSOLUTELY.
Well, over the past few months we have heard a lot of sound bites like �Immigration is a privilege, not a right�. �We are a country of immigrants but we are also a country of laws.� We will see about that in moment when we look at history and find out how lawful immigration has historically been.
Let�s focus on one thing sorely missing from our community: The sense of entitlement.
A lot of employment based immigrants in this country, legally here, on H1, L1, J1 etc. have asked themselves, �What right do I have to ask for change in laws or relief from congress? I am not even a citizen. Lobby congress? As an alien? Are you kidding me? Do you want to get deported? Do you realize you are going �against� the Government?�
Therein comes the lack of sense of entitlement.
First of all, legally speaking, there is no distinction between the constitutional rights of citizens and the constitutional rights of those who are non-citizens � legal or illegal. (Non-citizens are also called �aliens�, but I refrain from using that word whenever I remember coz none of us look like characters of Star Wars and we are not green-headed animals with 6 limbs, so I don�t consider myself an alien just because I was born somewhere else on the same planet).
Second of all, as a person within the jurisdiction of the United States, the first amendment actually prohibits the congress from making any laws against stated rights � one of which is the right to petition the Government for redress of grievances. So not only its legal to do what we are doing, it unconstitutional to pass a law to make it illegal for us to petition (or lobby, advocate, litigate) government for a redress of grievances. And that first amendment isn�t changing, coz to change it, its going to need two-thirds of US congress and three-fourths of states to back it. And we all know, how lucky we are to have 51 senators agree on the fact that sun rises from the east.
Earned Right or Birthright?
The fact that you are here and you are here legally and working with the system to earn immigration is something you should be proud of. Not guilty of. If you treat yourself as guests, the government will treat you like a guest. I would rather treat myself two times the citizen. Why, coz it simply much harder to earn a citizenship than to be born into it. I believe that not only we deserve fair and speedy immigration, but also when we do become citizens we should have the privilege to give two votes in elections. Now, I am not trying to display chutzpah here. I am going to back up my claim with reason. See, a lot of us came here 5-10 years ago with almost no money. Many of us never received any formal education in America. However, we have been able to survive and keep a job in this country, even during the stock market crash of 2001 and the economic recession after that. No small feat. We are the last ones to leave the office at night (Actually, that is true for both legal and illegal workers, coz the legal computer programmer is still coding Java at 7:00 PM while the illegal janitor starts vacuuming the office). We relocate across states as-if its relocating 2 traffic lights away. We adapt to different employers, we adapt to all employers. And all these without driving down the wages. Yes, it�s true. We don�t depress the wages and we don�t steal jobs and the labor certification is designed to prevent that and it�s working. We all know how great its working and how intense the process is, especially those who are stuck in Philly and Dallas backlog creation centers.
So, to sum it up, we have twice to right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, twice the right to everything. It�s an earned right, not a birthright. Our natural instinct should be to exercise the rights we have earned. If we cannot do it now, we are not going to really make anything out of citizenship of Greencard that we are pursuing.
And coming back to the sound bites about privileges and �Nation of laws� coming out of Washington today, let me say this: The pilgrims, who dropped anchor near Cape Cod in 1620 didn�t go through a port of entry and get their passports stamped and their I-94s stapled. I don�t think the Indians were waiting at the coast of Virginia to stop immigrants. They just came. And they settled. And they called it home. No priority dates. No visa bulletins.
So you see, what really matters here is whether you feel you are entitled to something or not. If you don�t feel entitled to a fair immigration process that does justice to those who seek legal ways to immigration, then you probably aren�t entitled. To ask for something, you must first believe that you deserve it. And to show that you deserve it, you must ask it loudly and clearly from rooftops. Don�t predict visa bulletins, but work to change and influence the visa bulletin 6 months from now. And no, you wont be deported for exercising that constitutional right.
�Our ancestors ... possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice has placed them.�
� Thomas Jefferson (1743�1826, 3d President of the United States, author of the Declaration of Independence)
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java06
04-19 11:07 AM
just now made my contribution through paypal. Go IV!!
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dixie
07-19 06:51 PM
I would think IT experience is the same anywhere so taking it to canada should be ok? If not there are plenty of other management jobs there. It might be a new start but in a one year timespan you will be well established.
Is it just my wishful thinking?
As for masters, are you persuing MBA? How about PMP?
I think US experience will hold good in canada, at at least in IT. Canadian experience matters for immigrants who directly come from their home countries, never having lived in north america before. The trick is to find a good enough job for your experience level .. what is the point of going there and doing the same kind of job that you were stuck with here ?. That is easier said than done given the limited size of the canadian IT industry. I second your thoughts if you do get a good job, an year or so should be good enough to establish yourself. I fact, I know a couple of guys from my area who moved to canada with their families to escape retrogression, and are now well-settled there with no intention of ever coming back to the US. But yes, it took a while for them to find those jobs.
Is it just my wishful thinking?
As for masters, are you persuing MBA? How about PMP?
I think US experience will hold good in canada, at at least in IT. Canadian experience matters for immigrants who directly come from their home countries, never having lived in north america before. The trick is to find a good enough job for your experience level .. what is the point of going there and doing the same kind of job that you were stuck with here ?. That is easier said than done given the limited size of the canadian IT industry. I second your thoughts if you do get a good job, an year or so should be good enough to establish yourself. I fact, I know a couple of guys from my area who moved to canada with their families to escape retrogression, and are now well-settled there with no intention of ever coming back to the US. But yes, it took a while for them to find those jobs.
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gcformeornot
07-02 07:53 AM
leave my indian employer soon. they are saying they have 90 days notice period.... which was set from india. I work in ohio which has "employment at will" law... I am not going to serve the full notice period..... but if they deduct any money..... I am going fight like hell.... planning to complain to DOL and state govt office......I will keep updated on what happens....
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adde72
07-17 04:32 PM
Dont mix with any other issue( Dream Act) ....We will fight for "Recapturing of Visas" . That will solve all our problems .
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Hope_GC
07-15 07:08 PM
pmb76,
I agree with you we are at least not turning blind eye on this kinda false propagandas.
Fight for truth is a difficult thing but when fought with full enthu you will see the results(what ever they might be something positive).
I don't know what this petition is going to do. Atleast it will convey to CNN top brass that there are people out there who won't tolerate such lies. Maybe it won't do anything now but we must continue our efforts and oppose such false propagation of information whenever we can.
I agree with you we are at least not turning blind eye on this kinda false propagandas.
Fight for truth is a difficult thing but when fought with full enthu you will see the results(what ever they might be something positive).
I don't know what this petition is going to do. Atleast it will convey to CNN top brass that there are people out there who won't tolerate such lies. Maybe it won't do anything now but we must continue our efforts and oppose such false propagation of information whenever we can.
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kate123
06-10 10:15 AM
Called all the representatives for the second time to co sponser the bills.. it took less than 10 min.
-Thank you
-Thank you
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rkartik78
07-18 03:26 PM
Pd: Jun 2006
Reached Nebraska: 7/2 10:25 am
Rejected: Don Know
Ck Cashed: Not Yet
Name of the person signed: J.BARRRET
I had mine signed by J.Barrret
Reached Nebraska: 7/2 10:25 am
Rejected: Don Know
Ck Cashed: Not Yet
Name of the person signed: J.BARRRET
I had mine signed by J.Barrret
kubmilegaGC
09-15 11:14 PM
It seems like its just me and kubmilegaGC left from June 2004. Anybody else from June 04?
We are going to GET THERE @cali - really anyone else with June 04 or prior?
We are going to GET THERE @cali - really anyone else with June 04 or prior?
smsthss
09-17 11:25 AM
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